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PostSubject: Leo Tolstoy - A Legend of the Slavic Literature, and entire world!    Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:59 am

Have you heard of Leo Tolstoy? Oh you must've Smile ... he is one of the greatest literary geniuses, some even say that he inspired the greatest thinkers of his times, from Easts to Wests!

Leo Tolstoy was born in Russian Nobility, but his heart was beyond the confinements of a political boundary! He served in the army, and then after he saw the bloodshed, he exclaimed how he saw the State as nothing but a tool of creating hatred against one another, and preferred to never serve any government office in his life. He dedicated himself to literature, to humanity and work of art!

Leo Tolstoy's famous work are many, but I love "War and Peace" in particular. Did any of you read this book? There is a serenity in it, and yet there are disturbances ... but all so much in harmony with each other, just like the spring breeze which touches the fresh leaves!

Tolstoy's work stood out, and they were making history and creating fans among authors like Viktor Hugo and etc ...

If you love reading, I surely prescribe you read Tolstoy atleast once in your life Smile ...
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PostSubject: Re: Leo Tolstoy - A Legend of the Slavic Literature, and entire world!    Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:09 pm

Polki I am so happy U took initiative in starting this thread

I am very very sorry I cannot plunge in a discussion at length coz I nEVER read Tolstoy

But u know what ? I will read him now . I am going to the library only to get a book so I can read and then come on this thread to discuss .

Meanwhile others who have read Tolstoy ..........please jump in

Polki can u gimme a list of his books and tell me which r his masterpieces
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PostSubject: Re: Leo Tolstoy - A Legend of the Slavic Literature, and entire world!    Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:24 am

Thanks Koolsadhu Smile ... do visit the library, and read some of his master pieces. You will not regret.

His most renowned master pieces are many, but throughout Europe those which got most reviews were: "War and Peace" and "Anna Karenina".

You may like to start with these two ...

My personal favorites are
1. War and peace
2. A Prisoner in the Caucasus
3. The Coffee-House of Surat (short story)

If you search information on him, you will discover that he is revered in a whole different way in entire Europe, and some call him the greatest of authors ever.

He have many stories around him, with one which was little tragic, but I heard it in my school when I was small. In the wartime, when he travel across Europe, he fell in love with a Polish girl and she died infront of him. She was very beautiful, and heart heart could warm as the rays of the sun in a summer morning! ... her eyes were clear blue and her hair were of pure gold! Her love was unique too ... and her death forever put a mark on Leo. He married later to Sonia, but was not really a happy man in marriage.

But anyway, these are perhaps true or myth, but the story in detail is quite famous, and Leo did come Poland, and he did return with an unhappy marriage, and it was here he decided that he will give up all government services, and denounced state and its wars!

Here is a quote by Leo:

All happy families resemble one another, each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.
Leo Tolstoy
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PostSubject: st petersburg   Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:05 am

hi polki,

apart from india, the only country which i love from bottom of my heart is russia,
although i have never landed in russia,but still i feel that there is some unique bond which connects me with russia.
st petersburg is my fav place in russia,
i have always seen this dream in my life that one day i have my own house(home) in st peterburgs,
i m quite sure that one day i will fulfill my this dream,

I want to live my life in a way that when i get really old, i look back at my life and say: aaah I lived it, not survived it.

i liked most of his short stories but since i have started my post with my dream,
so without any guesses my fav short stories of tolstoy was my dream,

Title: My Dream

Author: Leo Tolstoy [More Titles by Tolstoy]
"As a daughter she no longer exists for me. Can't you
understand? She simply doesn't exist. Still, I cannot possibly leave
her to the charity of strangers. I will arrange things so that she can
live as she pleases, but I do not wish to hear of her. Who would ever
have thought . . . the horror of it, the horror of it."He
shrugged his shoulders, shook his head, and raised his eyes. These words
were spoken by Prince Michael Ivanovich to his brother Peter, who was
governor of a province in Central Russia. Prince Peter was a man of
fifty, Michael's junior by ten years.On discovering that his
daughter, who had left his house a year before, had settled here with
her child, the elder brother had come from St. Petersburg to the
provincial town, where the above conversation took place.Prince
Michael Ivanovich was a tall, handsome, white-haired, fresh coloured
man, proud and attractive in appearance and bearing. His family
consisted of a vulgar, irritable wife, who wrangled with him continually
over every petty detail, a son, a ne'er-do-well, spendthrift and
roue--yet a "gentleman," according to his father's code, two daughters,
of whom the elder had married well, and was living in St. Petersburg;
and the younger, Lisa--his favourite, who had disappeared from home a
year before. Only a short while ago he had found her with her child in
this provincial town.Prince Peter wanted to ask his brother how,
and under what circumstances, Lisa had left home, and who could possibly
be the father of her child. But he could not make up his mind to
inquire.That very morning, when his wife had attempted to condole
with her brother-in-law, Prince Peter had observed a look of pain on
his brother's face. The look had at once been masked by an expression
of unapproachable pride, and he had begun to question her about their
flat, and the price she paid. At luncheon, before the family and
guests, he had been witty and sarcastic as usual. Towards every one,
excepting the children, whom he treated with almost reverent tenderness,
he adopted an attitude of distant hauteur. And yet it was so natural to
him that every one somehow acknowledged his right to be haughty.In
the evening his brother arranged a game of whist. When he retired to
the room which had been made ready for him, and was just beginning to
take out his artificial teeth, some one tapped lightly on the door with
two fingers."Who is that?""C'est moi, Michael."Prince
Michael Ivanovich recognised the voice of his sister-in-law, frowned,
replaced his teeth, and said to himself, "What does she want?" Aloud he
said, "Entrez."His sister-in-law was a quiet, gentle creature,
who bowed in submission to her husband's will. But to many she seemed a
crank, and some did not hesitate to call her a fool. She was pretty,
but her hair was always carelessly dressed, and she herself was untidy
and absent-minded. She had, also, the strangest, most unaristocratic
ideas, by no means fitting in the wife of a high official. These ideas
she would express most unexpectedly, to everybody's astonishment, her
husband's no less than her friends'."Fous pouvez me renvoyer, mais je ne m'en irai pas, je vous le dis d'avance," she began, in her characteristic, indifferent way."Dieu
preserve," answered her brother-in-law, with his usual somewhat
exaggerated politeness, and brought forward a chair for her."Ca
ne vous derange pas?" she asked, taking out a cigarette. "I'm not going
to say anything unpleasant, Michael. I only wanted to say something
about Lisochka."Michael Ivanovich sighed--the word pained him;
but mastering himself at once, he answered with a tired smile. "Our
conversation can only be on one subject, and that is the subject you
wish to discuss." He spoke without looking at her, and avoided even
naming the subject. But his plump, pretty little sister-in-law was
unabashed. She continued to regard him with the same gentle, imploring
look in her blue eyes, sighing even more deeply."Michael, mon bon ami, have pity on her. She is only human.""I never doubted that," said Michael Ivanovich with a bitter smile."She is your daughter.""She was--but my dear Aline, why talk about this?""Michael, dear, won't you see her? I only wanted to say, that the one who is to blame--"Prince Michael Ivanovich flushed; his face became cruel."For
heaven's sake, let us stop. I have suffered enough. I have now but one
desire, and that is to put her in such a position that she will be
independent of others, and that she shall have no further need of
communicating with me. Then she can live her own life, and my family and
I need know nothing more about her. That is all I can do.""Michael, you say nothing but 'I'! She, too, is 'I.'""No doubt; but, dear Aline, please let us drop the matter. I feel it too deeply."Alexandra Dmitrievna remained silent for a few moments, shaking her head. "And Masha, your wife, thinks as you do?""Yes, quite."Alexandra Dmitrievna made an inarticulate sound."Brisons
la dessus et bonne nuit," said he. But she did not go. She stood
silent a moment. Then,--"Peter tells me you intend to leave the money
with the woman where she lives. Have you the address?""I have.""Don't
leave it with the woman, Michael! Go yourself. Just see how she lives.
If you don't want to see her, you need not. HE isn't there; there is
no one there."Michael Ivanovich shuddered violently."Why do you torture me so? It's a sin against hospitality!"Alexandra
Dmitrievna rose, and almost in tears, being touched by her own
pleading, said, "She is so miserable, but she is such a dear."He got up, and stood waiting for her to finish. She held out her hand."Michael, you do wrong," said she, and left him.For
a long while after she had gone Michael Ivanovich walked to and fro on
the square of carpet. He frowned and shivered, and exclaimed, "Oh, oh!"
And then the sound of his own voice frightened him, and he was silent.His
wounded pride tortured him. His daughter--his--brought up in the house
of her mother, the famous Avdotia Borisovna, whom the Empress honoured
with her visits, and acquaintance with whom was an honour for all the
world! His daughter--; and he had lived his life as a knight of old,
knowing neither fear nor blame. The fact that he had a natural son born
of a Frenchwoman, whom he had settled abroad, did not lower his own
self-esteem. And now this daughter, for whom he had not only done
everything that a father could and should do; this daughter to whom he
had given a splendid education and every opportunity to make a match in
the best Russian society-- this daughter to whom he had not only given
all that a girl could desire, but whom he had really LOVED; whom he had
admired, been proud of--this daughter had repaid him with such disgrace,
that he was ashamed and could not face the eyes of men!He
recalled the time when she was not merely his child, and a member of his
family, but his darling, his joy and his pride. He saw her again, a
little thing of eight or nine, bright, intelligent, lively, impetuous,
graceful, with brilliant black eyes and flowing auburn hair. He
remembered how she used to jump up on his knees and hug him, and tickle
his neck; and how she would laugh, regardless of his protests, and
continue to tickle him, and kiss his lips, his eyes, and his cheeks. He
was naturally opposed to all demonstration, but this impetuous love
moved him, and he often submitted to her petting. He remembered also how
sweet it was to caress her. To remember all this, when that sweet
child had become what she now was, a creature of whom he could not think
without loathing.He also recalled the time when she was growing
into womanhood, and the curious feeling of fear and anger that he
experienced when he became aware that men regarded her as a woman. He
thought of his jealous love when she came coquettishly to him dressed
for a ball, and knowing that she was pretty. He dreaded the passionate
glances which fell upon her, that she not only did not understand but
rejoiced in. "Yes," thought he, "that superstition of woman's purity!
Quite the contrary, they do not know shame--they lack this sense." He
remembered how, quite inexplicably to him, she had refused two very good
suitors. She had become more and more fascinated by her own success in
the round of gaieties she lived in.But this success could not
last long. A year passed, then two, then three. She was a familiar
figure, beautiful--but her first youth had passed, and she had become
somehow part of the ball-room furniture. Michael Ivanovich remembered
how he had realised that she was on the road to spinsterhood, and
desired but one thing for her. He must get her married off as quickly
as possible, perhaps not quite so well as might have been arranged
earlier, but still a respectable match.But it seemed to him she
had behaved with a pride that bordered on insolence. Remembering this,
his anger rose more and more fiercely against her. To think of her
refusing so many decent men, only to end in this disgrace. "Oh, oh!" he
groaned again.Then stopping, he lit a cigarette, and tried to
think of other things. He would send her money, without ever letting her
see him. But memories came again. He remembered--it was not so very
long ago, for she was more than twenty then--her beginning a flirtation
with a boy of fourteen, a cadet of the Corps of Pages who had been
staying with them in the country. She had driven the boy half crazy; he
had wept in his distraction. Then how she had rebuked her father
severely, coldly, and even rudely, when, to put an end to this stupid
affair, he had sent the boy away. She seemed somehow to consider herself
insulted. Since then father and daughter had drifted into undisguised
hostility."I was right," he said to himself. "She is a wicked and shameless woman."And
then, as a last ghastly memory, there was the letter from Moscow, in
which she wrote that she could not return home; that she was a
miserable, abandoned woman, asking only to be forgiven and forgotten.
Then the horrid recollection of the scene with his wife came to him;
their surmises and their suspicions, which became a certainty. The
calamity had happened in Finland, where they had let her visit her aunt;
and the culprit was an insignificant Swede, a student, an empty-headed,
worthless creature--and married.All this came back to him now as
he paced backwards and forwards on the bedroom carpet, recollecting his
former love for her, his pride in her. He recoiled with terror before
the incomprehensible fact of her downfall, and he hated her for the
agony she was causing him. He remembered the conversation with his
sister-in-law, and tried to imagine how he might forgive her. But as
soon as the thought of "him" arose, there surged up in his heart horror,
disgust, and wounded pride. He groaned aloud, and tried to think of
something else."No, it is impossible; I will hand over the money to Peter to give her monthly. And as for me, I have no longer a daughter."And
again a curious feeling overpowered him: a mixture of self-pity at the
recollection of his love for her, and of fury against her for causing
him this anguish.IIDURING the last year Lisa had without
doubt lived through more than in all the preceding twenty-five. Suddenly
she had realised the emptiness of her whole life. It rose before her,
base and sordid-- this life at home and among the rich set in St.
Petersburg-- this animal existence that never sounded the depths, but
only touched the shallows of life.It was well enough for a year
or two, or perhaps even three. But when it went on for seven or eight
years, with its parties, balls, concerts, and suppers; with its costumes
and coiffures to display the charms of the body; with its adorers old
and young, all alike seemingly possessed of some unaccountable right to
have everything, to laugh at everything; and with its summer months
spent in the same way, everything yielding but a superficial pleasure,
even music and reading merely touching upon life's problems, but never
solving them--all this holding out no promise of change, and losing its
charm more and more--she began to despair. She had desperate moods when
she longed to die.Her friends directed her thoughts to charity.
On the one hand, she saw poverty which was real and repulsive, and a
sham poverty even more repulsive and pitiable; on the other, she saw the
terrible indifference of the lady patronesses who came in carriages and
gowns worth thousands. Life became to her more and more unbearable.
She yearned for something real, for life itself--not this playing at
living, not this skimming life of its cream. Of real life there was
none. The best of her memories was her love for the little cadet Koko.
That had been a good, honest, straight-forward impulse, and now there
was nothing like it. There could not be. She grew more and more
depressed, and in this gloomy mood she went to visit an aunt in Finland.
The fresh scenery and surroundings, the people strangely different to
her own, appealed to her at any rate as a new experience.How and
when it all began she could not clearly remember. Her aunt had another
guest, a Swede. He talked of his work, his people, the latest Swedish
novel. Somehow, she herself did not know how that terrible fascination
of glances and smiles began, the meaning of which cannot be put into
words.These smiles and glances seemed to reveal to each, not only
the soul of the other, but some vital and universal mystery. Every
word they spoke was invested by these smiles with a profound and
wonderful significance. Music, too, when they were listening together,
or when they sang duets, became full of the same deep meaning. So,
also, the words in the books they read aloud. Sometimes they would
argue, but the moment their eyes met, or a smile flashed between them,
the discussion remained far behind. They soared beyond it to some higher
plane consecrated to themselves.How it had come about, how and
when the devil, who had seized hold of them both, first appeared behind
these smiles and glances, she could not say. But, when terror first
seized her, the invisible threads that bound them were already so
interwoven that she had no power to tear herself free. She could only
count on him and on his honour. She hoped that he would not make use of
his power; yet all the while she vaguely desired it.Her weakness
was the greater, because she had nothing to support her in the
struggle. She was weary of society life and she had no affection for
her mother. Her father, so she thought, had cast her away from him, and
she longed passionately to live and to have done with play. Love, the
perfect love of a woman for a man, held the promise of life for her. Her
strong, passionate nature, too, was dragging her thither. In the tall,
strong figure of this man, with his fair hair and light upturned
moustache, under which shone a smile attractive and compelling, she saw
the promise of that life for which she longed. And then the smiles and
glances, the hope of something so incredibly beautiful, led, as they
were bound to lead, to that which she feared but unconsciously awaited.Suddenly
all that was beautiful, joyous, spiritual, and full of promise for the
future, became animal and sordid, sad and despairing.She looked
into his eyes and tried to smile, pretending that she feared nothing,
that everything was as it should be; but deep down in her soul she knew
it was all over. She understood that she had not found in him what she
had sought; that which she had once known in herself and in Koko. She
told him that he must write to her father asking her hand in marriage.
This he promised to do; but when she met him next he said it was
impossible for him to write just then. She saw something vague and
furtive in his eyes, and her distrust of him grew. The following day he
wrote to her, telling her that he was already married, though his wife
had left him long since; that he knew she would despise him for the
wrong he had done her, and implored her forgiveness. She made him come
to see her. She said she loved him; that she felt herself bound to him
for ever whether he was married or not, and would never leave him. The
next time they met he told her that he and his parents were so poor that
he could only offer her the meanest existence. She answered that she
needed nothing, and was ready to go with him at once wherever he wished.
He endeavoured to dissuade her, advising her to wait; and so she
waited. But to live on with this secret, with occasional meetings, and
merely corresponding with him, all hidden from her family, was
agonising, and she insisted again that he must take her away. At first,
when she returned to St. Petersburg, be wrote promising to come, and
then letters ceased and she knew no more of him.She tried to lead
her old life, but it was impossible. She fell ill, and the efforts of
the doctors were unavailing; in her hopelessness she resolved to kill
herself. But how was she to do this, so that her death might seem
natural? She really desired to take her life, and imagined that she had
irrevocably decided on the step. So, obtaining some poison, she poured
it into a glass, and in another instant would have drunk it, had not her
sister's little son of five at that very moment run in to show her a
toy his grandmother had given him. She caressed the child, and, suddenly
stopping short, burst into tears.The thought overpowered her
that she, too, might have been a mother had he not been married, and
this vision of motherhood made her look into her own soul for the first
time. She began to think not of what others would say of her, but of
her own life. To kill oneself because of what the world might say was
easy; but the moment she saw her own life dissociated from the world, to
take that life was out of the question. She threw away the poison, and
ceased to think of suicide.Then her life within began. It was
real life, and despite the torture of it, had the possibility been given
her, she would not have turned back from it. She began to pray, but
there was no comfort in prayer; and her suffering was less for herself
than for her father, whose grief she foresaw and understood.Thus
months dragged along, and then something happened which entirely
transformed her life. One day, when she was at work upon a quilt, she
suddenly experienced a strange sensation. No--it seemed impossible.
Motionless she sat with her work in hand. Was it possible that this was
IT. Forgetting everything, his baseness and deceit, her mother's
querulousness, and her father's sorrow, she smiled. She shuddered at
the recollection that she was on the point of killing it, together with
herself.She now directed all her thoughts to getting
away--somewhere where she could bear her child--and become a miserable,
pitiful mother, but a mother withal. Somehow she planned and arranged
it all, leaving her home and settling in a distant provincial town,
where no one could find her, and where she thought she would be far from
her people. But, unfortunately, her father's brother received an
appointment there, a thing she could not possibly foresee. For four
months she had been living in the house of a midwife-- one Maria
Ivanovna; and, on learning that her uncle had come to the town, she was
preparing to fly to a still remoter hiding-place.IIIMICHAEL
IVANOVICH awoke early next morning. He entered his brother's study,
and handed him the cheque, filled in for a sum which he asked him to pay
in monthly instalments to his daughter. He inquired when the express
left for St. Petersburg. The train left at seven in the evening, giving
him time for an early dinner before leaving. He breakfasted with his
sister-in-law, who refrained from mentioning the subject which was so
painful to him, but only looked at him timidly; and after breakfast he
went out for his regular morning walk.Alexandra Dmitrievna followed him into the hall."Go
into the public gardens, Michael--it is very charming there, and quite
near to Everything," said she, meeting his sombre looks with a pathetic
glance.Michael Ivanovich followed her advice and went to the
public gardens, which were so near to Everything, and meditated with
annoyance on the stupidity, the obstinacy, and heartlessness of women."She
is not in the very least sorry for me," he thought of his
sister-in-law. "She cannot even understand my sorrow. And what of her?"
He was thinking of his daughter. "She knows what all this means to
me--the torture. What a blow in one's old age! My days will be
shortened by it! But I'd rather have it over than endure this agony. And
all that 'pour les beaux yeux d'un chenapan'--oh!" he moaned; and a
wave of hatred and fury arose in him as he thought of what would be said
in the town when every one knew. (And no doubt every one knew already.)
Such a feeling of rage possessed him that he would have liked to beat
it into her head, and make her understand what she had done. These women
never understand. "It is quite near Everything," suddenly came to his
mind, and getting out his notebook, he found her address. Vera Ivanovna
Silvestrova, Kukonskaya Street, Abromov's house. She was living under
this name. He left the gardens and called a cab."Whom do you wish
to see, sir?" asked the midwife, Maria Ivanovna, when he stepped on the
narrow landing of the steep, stuffy staircase."Does Madame Silvestrova live here?""Vera
Ivanovna? Yes; please come in. She has gone out; she's gone to the
shop round the corner. But she'll be back in a minute."Michael
Ivanovich followed the stout figure of Maria Ivanovna into a tiny
parlour, and from the next room came the screams of a baby, sounding
cross and peevish, which filled him with disgust. They cut him like a
knife.Maria Ivanovna apologised, and went into the room, and he
could hear her soothing the child. The child became quiet, and she
returned."That is her baby; she'll be back in a minute. You are a friend of hers, I suppose?""Yes--a
friend--but I think I had better come back later on," said Michael
Ivanovich, preparing to go. It was too unbearable, this preparation to
meet her, and any explanation seemed impossible.He had just turned to leave, when he heard quick, light steps on the stairs, and he recognised Lisa's voice."Maria Ivanovna--has he been crying while I've been gone--I was--"Then she saw her father. The parcel she was carrying fell from her hands."Father!" she cried, and stopped in the doorway, white and trembling.He
remained motionless, staring at her. She had grown so thin. Her eyes
were larger, her nose sharper, her hands worn and bony. He neither knew
what to do, nor what to say. He forgot all his grief about his
dishonour. He only felt sorrow, infinite sorrow for her; sorrow for her
thinness, and for her miserable rough clothing; and most of all, for
her pitiful face and imploring eyes."Father--forgive," she said, moving towards him."Forgive--forgive
me," he murmured; and he began to sob like a child, kissing her face
and hands, and wetting them with his tears.In his pity for her he
understood himself. And when he saw himself as he was, he realised how
he had wronged her, how guilty he had been in his pride, in his
coldness, even in his anger towards her. He was glad that it was he who
was guilty, and that he had nothing to forgive, but that he himself
needed forgiveness. She took him to her tiny room, and told him how she
lived; but she did not show him the child, nor did she mention the past,
knowing how painful it would be to him.He told her that she must live differently."Yes; if I could only live in the country," said she."We
will talk it over," he said. Suddenly the child began to wail and to
scream. She opened her eyes very wide; and, not taking them from her
father's face, remained hesitating and motionless."Well--I suppose you must feed him," said Michael Ivanovich, and frowned with the obvious effort.She
got up, and suddenly the wild idea seized her to show him whom she
loved so deeply the thing she now loved best of all in the world. But
first she looked at her father's face. Would he be angry or not? His
face revealed no anger, only suffering."Yes, go, go," said he;
"God bless you. Yes. I'll come again to-morrow, and we will decide.
Good-bye, my darling-- good-bye." Again he found it hard to swallow the
lump in his throat.When Michael Ivanovich returned to his brother's house, Alexandra Dmitrievna immediately rushed to him."Well?""Well? Nothing.""Have you seen?" she asked, guessing from his expression that something had happened."Yes," he answered shortly, and began to cry. "I'm getting old and stupid," said he, mastering his emotion."No; you are growing wise--very wise." -THE END- [Tolstoi] Leo Tolstoy's short story: My Dream
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PostSubject: Re: Leo Tolstoy - A Legend of the Slavic Literature, and entire world!    Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:36 am

Thank you acre Wink

Interestingly at the bottom you mentioned about copyright, do you know that Tolstoy gave up all copyrights to all his work? He do not have a copyright. He didn't believe in it ... many things make him unique.

Russia have a bad name in Poland due to the Communist regime and our history with USSR and other Russian aggressions ... however, the Russian and Polish people have always shared common interests, culture and ancestry (Slavs). It can be noted that Russian literature and art had always gathered great interest in Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth since times.

Russians always had great relations with India, since long past. So I think your feeling towards Russia is similar to many Russians who feel towards India Smile ...

We in Poland know not much of India, but through some Russian novels I read sometimes. It is seen rather as a mystical land of magic and turban wearing wise men Wink . You can think us in East/Central Europe naive, but many still think similar about India. I myself used to think that everywhere must be elephants ... and as you would expect, I came here and didn't find elephants everywhere like birds bounce Embarassed Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing What a Face . We are silly? cat Basketball Laughing . But in my country are handful Indians (50 odd?) ... and usually in Warsaw and Krakow ... never really in contact. But they come to Universities mostly, and there when we know them, we do learn slowly, but still inside we want to believe about the elephant and magic Laughing.

The good Poles, those who are normal, like to be friends with the ones who are intelligent and show politeness. Usually they really fit in the framework of the "wise man" cheers ... without the turban though Smile Smile Laughing. After 5 years of marriage and travel in India, I think I know much more, and to tell you the truth its pleasant to know that its not so superficial. Rather India is fast developing (although my perspective is very limited, with us living in a better part of Delhi, with all better facilities provided to me instantly ... with air conditioning and good room service by servants etc all the day, and seem like reasonably wealthy neighborhood too), and I am happy to see traditional families with high values till here (thankfully to God, like one I got).

Returning in Poland to June, but with loads of books, and DVD (mother india, which I will watch in Poland, if I watch here, its not going to be same I tell you, I need it for memory Wink ), and loads of love ... with so many friends I can still remain in contact through net flower .
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PostSubject: Re: Leo Tolstoy - A Legend of the Slavic Literature, and entire world!    Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:18 am

u r welcome polki,

not only in poland but most of the countries has got this jealous attitude towards russia,
the communist region or culture is one of the few things which makes russia different from those so called capitalist countries,
although i was a former management student so i have mostly studied about the capital income & policy of the capitalist countries,
i have no issues with the policy of capitalist countries,
but its my heart who always beeps for the russia,

ur this judgment was totally accurate.why i have a soft corner for Russia & Russians
Russians always had
great relations with India, since long past. So I think your feeling
towards Russia is similar to many Russians who feel towards India Smile

india & russia have always shared good & healthy relations with each other, i hope in future also this relationship b/w these two countries become more stronger.

without any doubt india is a fast developing country, the world best doctors,scientists,engineers,businessman comes from india,
but still there r various problems which haven't solved yet in my country,
i.e poverty,education,unemployment,corruption,law,etc
infrastructure doesn't makes it way yet in small town & villages,
the connectivity b/w the major cities & the villages,

india only reflects the life cycle of metropolitan,
where as bharat reflects the life cycle of villagers & small town people.

the distance b/w bharat & india is kept on increasing.

its good to hear that currently u r staying in india & that too in delhi, my second hometown,
currently i m also living in delhi.
but if u want to see the real delhi i have strongly recommend plz visit every part of delhi-6 zone,
chandni chowk,chawri bazar,red fort,jama masjid, & also every part of delhi-2, daryaganj,
its gives u the feeling of old delhi,
technically speaking technologically has makes our life better & comfortable, but its has takes the most valuable thing from us i.e our simplicity.
simplicity is the best form of beauty

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PostSubject: Re: Leo Tolstoy - A Legend of the Slavic Literature, and entire world!    Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:11 am

Thank you Acre.

Actually Russian politics and Russian literature are two very different issues. I apologize I brought in the Russian political background, which perhaps came out in a different context, and you mistook it for something else. Let us not make it a political discussion No Wink . I must still tell you that the theories of Communism as you must've read did not show in real on the ground, and we in Poland still feel angry on Russia and its atrocities, plus its denial of Polish freedom. You would like to know that including Estonia, Lithuania and other CIS countries, Russian victory altars were ripped off the ground ... and the unnamed soldier portrait was moved from the main squares of the town. Its not about the economic issues, but more ... you will not understand as Russia and India have different, distant relationship ... mostly based on imagination and exchange of art. However, with Eastern and Central Europe it had been at a very different level. You will be surprised to know how many Polish favor Chechen freedom over Russia, rather than Russian victory over Chechen. Russian military, and the KREMLIN can be brutal, legendary brutes were born inside the Kremlin from the day it was constructed.

But the people, the ordinary farmer, the literature, Tolstoy's heart .... etc ... these are all different. We are Slavic (including me), and I know, that the commons are more than differences, but the Kremlin keeps us all divided.

Anyways ... why dig there? Lets not put our thoughts away from Leo Smile ... Leo Tolstoy's renouncement of all things which the state represented, was a mark in history. His works only break barriers in the mind thus!

I did visit Chandi Chowk with my mother in law, and my husband. Also I saw Jama Mosque ... very big place. I saw red fort of AKBAAR too Smile ... but I did not go many other places to see the sufferings as my husband didn't feel comfortable to take me there. I actually understand his apprehension Wink ... I guess you can understand too Smile.

I am still very known to Delhi ... basically situated in a family Wink ... and from here I see through a window only Smile ...

But I have bought several books too Smile ... which will give me knowledge.
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PostSubject: Re: Leo Tolstoy - A Legend of the Slavic Literature, and entire world!    Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:40 am

thanks polki,

there is no need for u to apologize by bringing the russian political here on literature forum,
btw thanks for sharing the theories of communism with me,

u r once again right there is no requirement to discuss such political issue here on literature forum,
its a literature forum so we have to stick with literature only Very Happy

its good that u like books which enhances ur knowledge
Very Happy

but here its a little bit different story, lol!
these books has ruined my whole childhood & youth, now they r planning to ruined my old age also, lol!
i even also don't know when i will get freedom from those books
It's about time i got my head out of those books and paid attention to more important things in my life.

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PostSubject: Re: Leo Tolstoy - A Legend of the Slavic Literature, and entire world!    Wed May 04, 2011 12:56 pm

Yes, Tolstoy is indeed a great writer. I havent been able to read his classics like Anna Karenina and War and Peace. But I have read some of his short stories . One story (if I am not mistaken) stands out in my memory.It is called 'How much land does a man need'I had it in the supplementary section when I was in std 6.The essence of the story is that all man might think of acquiring a lot of land.But ultimately he needs only 6 ft to be buried. Another is a story called 'a spark neglected burns the house'. (I hope I have got the stories right. Will someone clarify?')

All the stories have simple characters with a very good moral. Have to check up if they are available now. earlier before Russia disintegrated in 1991 all the books shops used to have the publications of Russian writers. They used to be very reasonably priced too.

Thanks Polki for reminding me of my school day
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PostSubject: Re: Leo Tolstoy - A Legend of the Slavic Literature, and entire world!    Thu May 05, 2011 7:41 pm

I read many of Tolstoy's short stories, liked how simply the morals were inserted without seeming like preaching. I also liked Anna Karenina very much, the characters were very sympathetic, not just Anna and Vronsky, but also Levin and Kitty if I remember the names. I remember reading it as an impressionable teenager and being entranced by the description of Anna's beauty.

I started reading War and Peace one summer vacation but never finished it, it was a bit long and I guess I was a bit too young to appreciate it. Perhaps I will take it up again when I have the time.
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